[Caevlist] New Oregon registration fees for EVs

Fri Nov 29 20:45:38 PST 2019

4x 60,000 mile tires at 2 cents tax per mile = $1200.   You think people will pay $1200 extra to buytires in Oregon?

Best thing is gas tax.    It's been working for 100 years and works just fine.   Problem is thatthe everyone thinks they have a better/fairer/progressive new idea that's never been tried before and they fall rightinto the hands of smarter but Machiavellian  people who don't like the gas tax because it's a lot harder to manipulate than50 different user fees/tolls/ that can be changed individually and in nearly in secret closed door meetings.   By havingmore fees each against a smaller number of the public, the tax guys can divide and conquer much easier than justhaving one big tax that everyone can see.    They see the average tax payer as trouble.  as far as they can see, the less they the public knows, the better.

You think that doesn't happen?  
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/09/oregon-public-records-advocate-resigns-accuses-gov-kate-browns-staff-of-inappropriate-pressure.html
And here's a funny story about marijuana closed door laws in Washington from a few years back.   
The funny part is at the end  
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/liquor-board-pays-192k-to-make-public-records-gadfly-go-away/

   On Friday, November 29, 2019, 6:15:47 PM PST, Gregg Swenson <greggswen at gmail.com> wrote:  

 I agree on the "tax the tires" possibly - it would catch the studded tire users who do millions (10 million dollars per year is a number bantied about) of damage per year to Oregon roads for a relatively small number of users.  Think about this next spring as the ruts try to steer your car for you on I-5.
On the other hand, perhaps they should double/triple non-efficient vehicle registrations instead of electric and other fuel efficient vehicles.  Oregon does practically nothing to promote fuel efficient vehicles.  State tax credits are non-existent for electrics and hybrids.  This would go a long way to eventually meeting Oregon carbon targets at practically no capital outlay... come on, how much wear does a light passenger vehicle (without studs) comparatively cause to Oregon roads?  
Registrations for electrics and hybrids should be free in Oregon.
G.

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 5:48 PM Robert Williams <robertbw at rwtechservices.com> wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier, fairer and more honest to tax tires?  Ya gotta buy tires no matter what fuel you use. They could even get bikes and off-road vehicles that way.  

Robert

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 2:19 PM Paul Wallace <ianaudio at peak.org> wrote:

When I first registered my truck, I had to point out to the DMV clerk that they were supposed to charge me 2x the standard registration cost since it is electric.  They looked it up in their books and sure enough, it was so noted.  I am a fan of weight mile, or at lease milage charges for all vehicles which aren’t commercial, since the weight of the vehicle plus the miles driven are what do the damage to the roads and supporting infrastructure.  I thought that even with just milage charges, it would relatively easy to collect as you must mark down your current odometer reading when updating registration.  Should be very straight forward to collect during the registration process without a significant (2 x) increase in costs.  Now they have layered a complete agency in place to deal with the technology of monitoring your miles though the OBDII port.  Next thing you will need is to have an OBDII hub so that you can plug in the milage monitor and your OBDII to BlueTooth dongle for LeafSpy or Torque.
Paul

On Nov 29, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com> wrote:
This wasn't exactly publicized.   It was snuck into the complete highway bill instead of a separate bill.
The politicians who voted for it probably didn't even read it.    Or at least that's what they will claim when thestuff starts hitting the fan.

I'm pretty sure the average guy with a prius doesn't realize that he's going to have much higherregistration fees than the guy that gets 1mpg less.   Be nice if the papers/facebook/social media could publicize it.   

I'd like to put on who voted for it also.

I'm glad Craig Hudson found it otherwise I wouldn't have even known about it.   I had an inkling when they startedputting a "hybrid" checkmark on the registration last year.     

Make no mistake...What this is, is an attempt to avoid raising the gas tax, which affects everyone, so instead theywant a way to generate revenue by dividing and conquering and doing it as secretly as possible without the 
voters noticing.    It's not nice.   It's actually kind of evil.

    On Friday, November 29, 2019, 1:28:35 PM PST, Paul Wallace <ianaudio at peak.org> wrote:  

 Interesting how collection and program costs double in the current biennium, as noted on pp3.
Paul

On Nov 29, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Craig Hudson <craighudson150 at gmail.com> wrote:
Like many, I was not aware of the impact to us conversion folks....  
Fiscally, it raises $930M next biennium and grows as more efficient vehicles hit the market.  https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureAnalysisDocument/40077  It would be curious to learn how the gas tax revenue has decreased over the years.
Voting recorded here... pretty much divided by the party lines   https://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2017/HB2017/    
   - House: 39 Yea and 20 Nay
   - Senate: 22 Yea and 7 Nay 

Overwhelming support....https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/FloorLetter/2231  
-------------------------------------------------------------------Craig Hudson                                   Mobile   503-798-6952  86 Pontiac Fiero - Zilla with 15kWh LiFePO4 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 10:28 PM Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com> wrote:

Know who voted for this and who didn't?   Be nice to know.

    On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 8:16:28 PM PST, Craig Hudson <craighudson150 at gmail.com> wrote:  

 It was bound to happen.... Oregon legislature approved EVs paying a "gas tax" thru their registration fees starting Jan 2020.   Checkout top of page 15 in HB2017.  Electric vehicles pay an additional $220 on top of the new DMV rates for a 2 year registration.
High-mileagepassenger vehicles
Fueleconomy                        Four years   Two years
40+ mpg NOT inOReGO          $304          $152
40+ mpg enrolled inOReGO    $172          $86
Electric NOT inOReGO             $612           $306
Electric enrolled inOReGO      $172            $86
If you drive less than 6100 mi/yr ($110/0.018) and can install an OBD-II reader to let ODOT track your mileage, then OReGO will save you money.  Check more at www.MyOReGO.org/calculator
Oregon is part of 19 other states trying to fund their road infrastructure.... http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/nhpr/files/electric_vehicle_fees_2017.pdf
Electric passenger vehicle registrations in Oregon broke 25K this past summer...Oregon has 3.2M registered passenger vehicles.  So, electric remains less than 1 percent...https://www.oregon.gov/deq/FilterDocs/CFP-electicvehicles.pdf https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/docs/2018_Vehicle_County_Registration.pdf 
-------------------------------------------------------------------Craig Hudson                                      Mobile   503-798-695286 Pontiac Fiero - Zilla with 15kWh LiFePO4

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