[Caevlist] New Oregon registration fees for EVs
pmccabe at alyrica.net
pmccabe at alyrica.net
Fri Nov 29 19:22:26 PST 2019
There is the “fourth power” rule which maintains that pavement damage
increases by axle weight to the fourth power. So road taxes based on
damage should be paid by weight*mile with weight on an exponential scale.
Those logging trucks, which by necessity use secondary roads, need to pay.
Heavy EVs would pay more than lighter ICEs. Then overlay a carbon tax to
incentivize efficiency.
Relatively generous EV rebates available in Oregon. It is funded, the
checks the state send cleared.
https://www.oregon.gov/deq/aq/programs/Pages/ZEV-Rebate.aspx
Patrick
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 18:15:06 -0800, Gregg Swenson <greggswen at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I agree on the "tax the tires" possibly - it would catch the studded
tire
> users who do millions (10 million dollars per year is a number bantied
> about) of damage per year to Oregon roads for a relatively small number
> of users. Think about this next spring as the ruts try to steer your
> car for you on I-5.
> On the other hand, perhaps they should double/triple non-efficient
> vehicle registrations instead of electric and other fuel efficient
> vehicles. Oregon does practically nothing to promote fuel efficient
> vehicles. State tax credits are non-existent for electrics and
> hybrids. This would go a long way to eventually meeting Oregon carbon
> targets at practically no capital outlay... come on, how much wear does
a
> light passenger vehicle (without studs) comparatively cause to Oregon
> roads?
> Registrations for electrics and hybrids should be free in Oregon.
> G.
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 5:48 PM Robert Williams wrote:
> Wouldnt it be easier, fairer and more honest to tax tires? Ya gotta buy
> tires no matter what fuel you use. They could even get bikes and
off-road
> vehicles that way.
>
> Robert
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 2:19 PM Paul Wallace wrote:
> When I first registered my truck, I had to point out to the DMV clerk
> that they were supposed to charge me 2x the standard registration cost
> since it is electric. They looked it up in their books and sure enough,
> it was so noted. I am a fan of weight mile, or at lease milage charges
> for all vehicles which aren’t commercial, since the weight of the
> vehicle plus the miles driven are what do the damage to the roads and
> supporting infrastructure. I thought that even with just milage
> charges, it would relatively easy to collect as you must mark down your
> current odometer reading when updating registration. Should be very
> straight forward to collect during the registration process without a
> significant (2 x) increase in costs. Now they have layered a complete
> agency in place to deal with the technology of monitoring your miles
> though the OBDII port. Next thing you will need is to have an OBDII hub
> so that you can plug in the milage monitor and your OBDII to BlueTooth
> dongle for LeafSpy or Torque.
> Paul
>
> On Nov 29, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Lawrence Winiarski wrote:
> This wasnt exactly publicized. It was snuck into the complete highway
> bill instead of a separate bill.
> The politicians who voted for it probably didnt even read it. Or at
> least thats what they will claim when thestuff starts hitting the fan.
>
> Im pretty sure the average guy with a prius doesnt realize that hes
going
> to have much higherregistration fees than the guy that gets 1mpg
> less. Be nice if the papers/facebook/social media could publicize it.
>
>
> Id like to put on who voted for it also.
>
> Im glad Craig Hudson found it otherwise I wouldnt have even known about
> it. I had an inkling when they startedputting a "hybrid" checkmark on
> the registration last year.
>
> Make no mistake...What this is, is an attempt to avoid raising the gas
> tax, which affects everyone, so instead theywant a way to generate
> revenue by dividing and conquering and doing it as secretly as possible
> without the
> voters noticing. Its not nice. Its actually kind of evil.
>
>
> On Friday, November 29, 2019, 1:28:35 PM PST, Paul Wallace wrote:
>
> Interesting how collection and program costs double in the current
> biennium, as noted on pp3.
> Paul
>
> On Nov 29, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Craig Hudson wrote:
> Like many, I was not aware of the impact to us conversion folks....
> Fiscally, it raises $930M next biennium and grows as more efficient
> vehicles hit the
>
market. https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureAnalysisDocument/40077
> [6] It would be curious to learn how the gas tax revenue has decreased
> over the years.
> Voting recorded here... pretty much divided by the party lines
> https://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2017/HB2017/ [7]
>
> * House: 39 Yea and 20 Nay
> * Senate: 22 Yea and 7 Nay
>
> Overwhelming support....
> https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/FloorLetter/2231
> [8]
>
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>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 10:28 PM Lawrence Winiarski wrote:
>
> Know who voted for this and who didnt? Be nice to know.
>
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 8:16:28 PM PST, Craig Hudson
wrote:
>
>
> It was bound to happen.... Oregon legislature approved EVs paying a
"gas
> tax" thru their registration fees starting Jan 2020. Checkout top of
> page 15 in HB2017 [11]. Electric vehicles pay an additional $220 on top
> of the new DMV rates for a 2 year registration.
> HIGH-MILEAGE PASSENGER VEHICLES
>
> Fuel economy Four years Two
> years
> 40+ mpg NOT in OReGO $304 $152
> 40+ mpg enrolled in OReGO $172 $86
> Electric NOT in
> OReGO $612 $306
> Electric enrolled in OReGO $172 $86If you
> drive less than 6100 mi/yr ($110/0.018) and can install an OBD-II reader
> to let ODOT track your mileage, then OReGO will save you money. Check
> more at www.MyOReGO.org/calculator [12]
> Oregon is part of 19 other states trying to fund their road
>
infrastructure.... http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/nhpr/files/electric_vehicle_fees_2017.pdf
> [13]
> Electric passenger vehicle registrations in Oregon broke 25K this past
> summer...Oregon has 3.2M registered passenger vehicles. So, electric
> remains less than 1
> percent...https://www.oregon.gov/deq/FilterDocs/CFP-electicvehicles.pdf
>
[14] https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/docs/2018_Vehicle_County_Registration.pdf
> [15]
>
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