[Caevlist] New Oregon registration fees for EVs
Gregg Swenson
greggswen at gmail.com
Fri Nov 29 18:15:06 PST 2019
I agree on the "tax the tires" possibly - it would catch the studded tire
users who do millions (10 million dollars per year is a number bantied
about) of damage per year to Oregon roads for a relatively small number of
users. Think about this next spring as the ruts try to steer your car for
you on I-5.
On the other hand, perhaps they should double/triple non-efficient vehicle
registrations instead of electric and other fuel efficient vehicles.
Oregon does practically nothing to promote fuel efficient vehicles. State
tax credits are non-existent for electrics and hybrids. This would go a
long way to eventually meeting Oregon carbon targets at practically no
capital outlay... come on, how much wear does a light passenger vehicle
(without studs) comparatively cause to Oregon roads?
Registrations for electrics and hybrids should be free in Oregon.
G.
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 5:48 PM Robert Williams <robertbw at rwtechservices.com>
wrote:
> Wouldn't it be easier, fairer and more honest to tax tires? Ya gotta buy
> tires no matter what fuel you use. They could even get bikes and off-road
> vehicles that way.
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> Robert
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> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 2:19 PM Paul Wallace <ianaudio at peak.org> wrote:
>
>> When I first registered my truck, I had to point out to the DMV clerk
>> that they were supposed to charge me 2x the standard registration cost
>> since it is electric. They looked it up in their books and sure enough, it
>> was so noted. I am a fan of weight mile, or at lease milage charges for
>> all vehicles which aren’t commercial, since the weight of the vehicle plus
>> the miles driven are what do the damage to the roads and supporting
>> infrastructure. I thought that even with just milage charges, it would
>> relatively easy to collect as you must mark down your current odometer
>> reading when updating registration. Should be very straight forward to
>> collect during the registration process without a significant (2 x)
>> increase in costs. Now they have layered a complete agency in place to
>> deal with the technology of monitoring your miles though the OBDII port.
>> Next thing you will need is to have an OBDII hub so that you can plug in
>> the milage monitor and your OBDII to BlueTooth dongle for LeafSpy or Torque.
>>
>> Paul
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>> On Nov 29, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Lawrence Winiarski <
>> lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> This wasn't exactly publicized. It was snuck into the complete highway
>> bill instead of a separate bill.
>>
>> The politicians who voted for it probably didn't even read it. Or at
>> least that's what they will claim when the
>> stuff starts hitting the fan.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the average guy with a prius doesn't realize that he's
>> going to have much higher
>> registration fees than the guy that gets 1mpg less. Be nice if the
>> papers/facebook/social media could publicize it.
>>
>> I'd like to put on who voted for it also.
>>
>> I'm glad Craig Hudson found it otherwise I wouldn't have even known about
>> it. I had an inkling when they started
>> putting a "hybrid" checkmark on the registration last year.
>>
>> Make no mistake...What this is, is an attempt to avoid raising the gas
>> tax, which affects everyone, so instead they
>> want a way to generate revenue by dividing and conquering and doing it as
>> secretly as possible without the
>> voters noticing. It's not nice. It's actually kind of evil.
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>> On Friday, November 29, 2019, 1:28:35 PM PST, Paul Wallace <
>> ianaudio at peak.org> wrote:
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>> Interesting how collection and program costs double in the current
>> biennium, as noted on pp3.
>>
>> Paul
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>> On Nov 29, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Craig Hudson <craighudson150 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Like many, I was not aware of the impact to us conversion folks....
>>
>> Fiscally, it raises $930M next biennium and grows as more efficient
>> vehicles hit the market.
>> https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureAnalysisDocument/40077
>> It would be curious to learn how the gas tax revenue has decreased over
>> the years.
>>
>> Voting recorded here... pretty much divided by the party lines
>> https://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2017/HB2017/
>>
>> - House: 39 Yea and 20 Nay
>> - Senate: 22 Yea and 7 Nay
>>
>>
>> Overwhelming support....
>> https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/FloorLetter/2231
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> 86 Pontiac Fiero - Zilla with 15kWh LiFePO4
>>
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>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 10:28 PM Lawrence Winiarski <
>> lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
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>> Know who voted for this and who didn't? Be nice to know.
>>
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>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 8:16:28 PM PST, Craig Hudson <
>> craighudson150 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It was bound to happen.... Oregon legislature approved EVs paying a "gas
>> tax" thru their registration fees starting Jan 2020. Checkout top of
>> page 15 in HB2017
>> <https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB2017/Enrolled>.
>> Electric vehicles pay an additional $220 on top of the new DMV rates for a
>> 2 year registration.
>>
>> *High-mileage passenger vehicles*
>>
>> Fuel economy Four years Two years
>> 40+ mpg NOT in OReGO $304 $152
>> 40+ mpg enrolled in OReGO $172 $86
>> Electric NOT in OReGO $612 $306
>> Electric enrolled in OReGO $172 $86
>> If you drive less than 6100 mi/yr ($110/0.018) and can install an OBD-II
>> reader to let ODOT track your mileage, then OReGO will save you money.
>> Check more at www.MyOReGO.org/calculator
>> <https://www.myorego.org/calculator>
>>
>> Oregon is part of 19 other states trying to fund their road
>> infrastructure....
>>
>> http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/nhpr/files/electric_vehicle_fees_2017.pdf
>>
>> Electric passenger vehicle registrations in Oregon broke 25K this past
>> summer...Oregon has 3.2M registered passenger vehicles. So, electric
>> remains less than 1 percent...
>> https://www.oregon.gov/deq/FilterDocs/CFP-electicvehicles.pdf
>> https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/docs/2018_Vehicle_County_Registration.pdf
>>
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>> *Craig Hudson* * Mobile *
>> 503-798-6952
>> 86 Pontiac Fiero - Zilla with 15kWh LiFePO4
>>
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