<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpde3eb0eeyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">4x 60,000 mile tires at 2 cents tax per mile = $1200. You think people will pay $1200 extra to buy</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">tires in Oregon?<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Best thing is gas tax. It's been working for 100 years and works just fine. Problem is that</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">the everyone thinks they have a better/fairer/progressive new idea that's never been tried before and they fall right</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">into the hands of smarter but Machiavellian people who don't like the gas tax because it's a lot harder to manipulate than</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">50 different user fees/tolls/ that can be changed individually and in nearly in secret closed door meetings. By having</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">more fees each against a smaller number of the public, the tax guys can divide and conquer much easier than just</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">having one big tax that everyone can see. They see the average tax payer as trouble. as far as they can see, the less they the public knows, the better.<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">You think that doesn't happen? <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><a href="https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/09/oregon-public-records-advocate-resigns-accuses-gov-kate-browns-staff-of-inappropriate-pressure.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/09/oregon-public-records-advocate-resigns-accuses-gov-kate-browns-staff-of-inappropriate-pressure.html</a></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">And here's a funny story about marijuana closed door laws in Washington from a few years back. <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The funny part is at the end<a href="https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/liquor-board-pays-192k-to-make-public-records-gadfly-go-away/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="enhancr_card_5763382518"> <br></a></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><a href="https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/liquor-board-pays-192k-to-make-public-records-gadfly-go-away/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/liquor-board-pays-192k-to-make-public-records-gadfly-go-away/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><br></div><div id="ydpbdb1460fyahoo_quoted_5846086465" class="ydpbdb1460fyahoo_quoted">
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On Friday, November 29, 2019, 6:15:47 PM PST, Gregg Swenson <greggswen@gmail.com> wrote:
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This would go a long way to eventually meeting Oregon carbon targets at practically no capital outlay... come on, how much wear does a light passenger vehicle (without studs) comparatively cause to Oregon roads? </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Registrations for electrics and hybrids should be free in Oregon.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>G.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpbdb1460fyiv5911741755gmail_quote"><div class="ydpbdb1460fyiv5911741755gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 5:48 PM Robert Williams <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:robertbw@rwtechservices.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">robertbw@rwtechservices.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydpbdb1460fyiv5911741755gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Wouldn't it be easier, fairer and more honest to tax tires? Ya gotta buy tires no matter what fuel you use. They could even get bikes and off-road vehicles that way. <br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Robert<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><img alt="" data-inlineimagemanipulating="true" data-id="1575087646739"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpbdb1460fyiv5911741755gmail_quote"><div class="ydpbdb1460fyiv5911741755gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 2:19 PM Paul Wallace <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:ianaudio@peak.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ianaudio@peak.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydpbdb1460fyiv5911741755gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div>When I first registered my truck, I had to point out to the DMV clerk that they were supposed to charge me 2x the standard registration cost since it is electric. They looked it up in their books and sure enough, it was so noted. I am a fan of weight mile, or at lease milage charges for all vehicles which aren’t commercial, since the weight of the vehicle plus the miles driven are what do the damage to the roads and supporting infrastructure. I thought that even with just milage charges, it would relatively easy to collect as you must mark down your current odometer reading when updating registration. Should be very straight forward to collect during the registration process without a significant (2 x) increase in costs. Now they have layered a complete agency in place to deal with the technology of monitoring your miles though the OBDII port. Next thing you will need is to have an OBDII hub so that you can plug in the milage monitor and your OBDII to BlueTooth dongle for LeafSpy or Torque.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Paul<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 29, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Lawrence Winiarski <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr">This wasn't exactly publicized. It was snuck into the complete highway bill instead of a separate bill.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">The politicians who voted for it probably didn't even read it. Or at least that's what they will claim when the</div><div dir="ltr">stuff starts hitting the fan.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I'm pretty sure the average guy with a prius doesn't realize that he's going to have much higher</div><div dir="ltr">registration fees than the guy that gets 1mpg less. Be nice if the papers/facebook/social media could publicize it. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I'd like to put on who voted for it also.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I'm glad Craig Hudson found it otherwise I wouldn't have even known about it. I had an inkling when they started</div><div dir="ltr">putting a "hybrid" checkmark on the registration last year. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Make no mistake...What this is, is an attempt to avoid raising the gas tax, which affects everyone, so instead they</div><div dir="ltr">want a way to generate revenue by dividing and conquering and doing it as secretly as possible without the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">voters noticing. It's not nice. It's actually kind of evil.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Friday, November 29, 2019, 1:28:35 PM PST, Paul Wallace <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:ianaudio@peak.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ianaudio@peak.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpbdb1460fyiv5911741755m_-3119012629701056437gmail-m_364950635777631077ydpb2a536d2yiv5108941882"><div>Interesting how collection and program costs double in the current biennium, as noted on pp3.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Paul<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div id="ydpbdb1460fyiv5911741755m_-3119012629701056437gmail-m_364950635777631077ydpb2a536d2yiv5108941882yqt19449"><div>On Nov 29, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Craig Hudson <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:craighudson150@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">craighudson150@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Like many, I was not aware of the impact to us conversion folks.... <div><br clear="none"><div>Fiscally, it raises $930M next biennium and grows as more efficient vehicles hit the market. <a shape="rect" href="https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureAnalysisDocument/40077" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureAnalysisDocument/40077</a> It would be curious to learn how the gas tax revenue has decreased over the years.<div><br clear="none"><div>Voting recorded here... pretty much divided by the party lines <a shape="rect" href="https://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2017/HB2017/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2017/HB2017/</a> <div><ul><li>House: 39 Yea and 20 Nay</li><li>Senate: 22 Yea and 7 Nay </li></ul></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Overwhelming support....
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 8:16:28 PM PST, Craig Hudson <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:craighudson150@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">craighudson150@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpbdb1460fyiv5911741755m_-3119012629701056437gmail-m_364950635777631077ydpb2a536d2yiv5108941882gmail-m_3410813788882007708ydp39a979cyiv6251088201"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;">It was bound to happen.... Oregon legislature approved EVs paying a "gas tax" thru their registration fees starting Jan 2020. </span> Checkout top of page 15 in <a shape="rect" href="https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB2017/Enrolled" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">HB2017</a>. Electric vehicles pay an additional $220 on top of the new DMV rates for a 2 year registration.<div><br clear="none"><div><div><strong style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;">High-mileage
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OReGO $172 $86</p><div><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;">If you drive less than 6100 mi/yr ($110/0.018) and </span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;">can install an OBD-II reader to let ODOT track your mileage, then </span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;">OReGO will save you money. Check more at </span><a shape="rect" href="https://www.myorego.org/calculator" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(5,99,193);" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.MyOReGO.org/calculator</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Oregon is part of 19 other states trying to fund their road infrastructure.... </div><div><a shape="rect" href="http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/nhpr/files/electric_vehicle_fees_2017.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/nhpr/files/electric_vehicle_fees_2017.pdf</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Electric passenger vehicle registrations in Oregon broke 25K this past summer...Oregon has 3.2M registered passenger vehicles. So, electric remains less than 1 percent...</div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://www.oregon.gov/deq/FilterDocs/CFP-electicvehicles.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.oregon.gov/deq/FilterDocs/CFP-electicvehicles.pdf</a> </div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/docs/2018_Vehicle_County_Registration.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/docs/2018_Vehicle_County_Registration.pdf</a> </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">
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