[Caevlist] Fwd: FW: MSEVs

Tue Feb 5 11:05:31 PST 2019

I don't have any experience with medium speed conversions.

Is anyone on the list familiar with medium speed conversions and the 
rules ? If so, please reply to Ian.

Gary G

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Subject: 	FW: MSEVs
Date: 	Sun, 3 Feb 2019 20:24:06 +0000
From: 	DICK Andrew E <Andrew.E.DICK at odot.state.or.us>
To: 	Gary Graunke (gary at whitecape.org) <gary at whitecape.org>

Hi Gary,

I got a question from a citizen who is interested in performing a 
repower to produce a medium-speed electric vehicle. The proposed 
modification would involve a Japanese import vehicle that may not comply 
with all federal safety standards, but the citizen is interested in 
whether the intended use as a MSEV has any impact on 
titling/registration requirements.

Is there anyone within your network who has performed this type of 
conversion, or do you have general information on requirements to title 
and register a converted EV in the state? I am also checking with our 
DMV vehicle policy folks, but given the number of conversions among OEVA 
members, I thought you might also be a valuable source of information.

Thanks for any insight you can provide.

Best,

AD

*From:*Ian Garlington <iang08 at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:12 PM
*To:* DICK Andrew E <Andrew.E.DICK at odot.state.or.us>
*Subject:* Re: MSEVs

Dear Andrew,

Thank you for your quick response. I appreciate your advice and I look 
forward to talking with Gary as well.

I am interested in exploring both avenues of developing MSEVs but my 
current model involved repowering an existing vehicle. At first I would 
like to build a vehicle for personal use. I know that the Federal 
regulations currently would prohibit the sale of MSEVs. Rathe than 
manufacturing these for sale, for the time being I would be very 
interested in creating an organization that educated and guided people 
through the the process developing their own MSEV. It sounds as though 
there may already people doing similar work.

As an example of what I would like to do:

Vehicle: MSEV (for personal use)

Plan:

1) Do an electric  conversion of a 1993 Subaru Sambar (or equivalent) 
"kei-van" and Install a speed throttle that will limit it to 35mph on 
flat pavement (currently kei vans are not platable in Oregon but they 
are in Washington. In the states, most people associate them with 4x4 
minitrucks used on private property but in Japan they are mainly known 
as compact passenger vehicles).

2)Review and translate necessary documents showing Japanese safety 
standards and other specifications that would demonstrate that the 
vehicle's crush resistant build is ample. If its crushproof features 
were deemed insufficient, install a custom roll cage and other necessary 
reinforcements to guarantee that the vehicle is in compliance with 
737-010-0020.

3) submit registration application.

Questions:

1). Are there special steps necessary for reclassifying the frame of one 
of these imported vehicles through the electric conversion, speed 
throttle and addition of any required safety equipment?  As far as I can 
understand, there is a minitruck dealership in that puts a 25mph speed 
limiter on the vehicles and sells them as Low Speed Vehicles:

https://newminitrucks.com/product-category/low-speed-vehicles-medium-speed-vehicles/

2) Typically JDM Japanese vehicles are subject to the 25 year rule for 
importation but it appears as though a conversion to an LSEV or MSEV 
would make it possible to import more recent models. Is this true?

Thank you so much for your time and input on my project. I am obviously 
still at a planning stage but I wanted to make sure I am in complete 
compliance with state and federal regulations.

Best regards,

Ian

Juried

*WET LENS*

Lake Oswego Festival of the Arts, Oregon

Ian Garlington PhD

founder of Zenetics

<https://zeneticsdesign.wordpress.com/>

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 10:49 AM DICK Andrew E 
<Andrew.E.DICK at odot.state.or.us <mailto:Andrew.E.DICK at odot.state.or.us>> 
wrote:

    Hi Ian,

    Thank you for reaching out. Just to confirm, are you talking about a
    vehicle you have entirely constructed yourself? Or are you
    repowering or otherwise modifying an existing vehicle? Also, are you
    wanting to build a single vehicle for personal use, or are you
    wishing to develop a commercial product for sale in the state?

    I’m happy to look into this for you. Our DMV policy folks can
    determine what you need to do from a titling and registration
    perspective, and Gary Graunke with the Oregon Electric Vehicle
    Association has a lot of experience with home builds, repowers, and
    so forth. Please pass along a little more information about what
    specifically you’re hoping to do, and I’ll put you in touch with the
    right people.

    Best,

    *Andrew Dick*

    Connected, Automated, and Electric Vehicle Advisor
    Oregon Department of Transportation

    355 Capitol Street NE, MS 32

    Salem, OR 97301

    (503) 986-3839

    *From:*Ian Garlington <iang08 at gmail.com <mailto:iang08 at gmail.com>>
    *Sent:* Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:09 AM
    *To:* DICK Andrew E <Andrew.E.DICK at odot.state.or.us
    <mailto:Andrew.E.DICK at odot.state.or.us>>
    *Subject:* MSEVs

    Dear Andrew,

    My name is Ian Garlington. I am interested in building medium speed
    electric vehicles and I am surprised by the lack of specific
    information about them available online.

    I understand that the vehicle must meet the following requirements:

      “Medium-speed electric vehicle” means an electric motor vehicle
    with four wheels that is equipped with a roll cage or a crushproof
    body design, can attain a maximum speed of 35 miles per hour on a
    paved, level surface, is fully enclosed and has at least one door
    for entry. [2009 c.865 §12]

    If I equip my electric vehicle with a roll cage an and the other
    required safety mechanisms and limit it to 35mph on flat paved
    surfaces, how do I register it? Can I take it to a DMV office and
    have someone inspect it and pay the $116?

    Does it need to be titled and have a MCO?

    If the titling process require an MCO, how can I find out about how
    to become a manufacturer that can issue one? I read that people are
    afraid to sell MSEVs because they don't conform to federal regulations.

    Is there someone in the DMT or ODOT who I should contact in regard
    to these kinds of questions in the future? Thank you in advance.

    Best regards,

    Ian

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