<div dir="ltr"><div>Wouldn't it be easier, fairer and more honest to tax tires? Ya gotta buy tires no matter what fuel you use. They could even get bikes and off-road vehicles that way. <br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Robert<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><img alt=""><br><br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 2:19 PM Paul Wallace <<a href="mailto:ianaudio@peak.org">ianaudio@peak.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">When I first registered my truck, I had to point out to the DMV clerk that they were supposed to charge me 2x the standard registration cost since it is electric. They looked it up in their books and sure enough, it was so noted. I am a fan of weight mile, or at lease milage charges for all vehicles which aren’t commercial, since the weight of the vehicle plus the miles driven are what do the damage to the roads and supporting infrastructure. I thought that even with just milage charges, it would relatively easy to collect as you must mark down your current odometer reading when updating registration. Should be very straight forward to collect during the registration process without a significant (2 x) increase in costs. Now they have layered a complete agency in place to deal with the technology of monitoring your miles though the OBDII port. Next thing you will need is to have an OBDII hub so that you can plug in the milage monitor and your OBDII to BlueTooth dongle for LeafSpy or Torque.<div><br></div><div>Paul<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 29, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Lawrence Winiarski <<a href="mailto:lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com" target="_blank">lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir="ltr">This wasn't exactly publicized. It was snuck into the complete highway bill instead of a separate bill.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The politicians who voted for it probably didn't even read it. Or at least that's what they will claim when the</div><div dir="ltr">stuff starts hitting the fan.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'm pretty sure the average guy with a prius doesn't realize that he's going to have much higher</div><div dir="ltr">registration fees than the guy that gets 1mpg less. Be nice if the papers/facebook/social media could publicize it. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'd like to put on who voted for it also.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'm glad Craig Hudson found it otherwise I wouldn't have even known about it. I had an inkling when they started</div><div dir="ltr">putting a "hybrid" checkmark on the registration last year. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Make no mistake...What this is, is an attempt to avoid raising the gas tax, which affects everyone, so instead they</div><div dir="ltr">want a way to generate revenue by dividing and conquering and doing it as secretly as possible without the <br></div><div dir="ltr">voters noticing. It's not nice. It's actually kind of evil.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div><div><br></div>
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<div><div id="gmail-m_364950635777631077ydpb2a536d2yiv5108941882"><div>Interesting how collection and program costs double in the current biennium, as noted on pp3.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Paul<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div id="gmail-m_364950635777631077ydpb2a536d2yiv5108941882yqt19449"><div>On Nov 29, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Craig Hudson <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:craighudson150@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">craighudson150@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Like many, I was not aware of the impact to us conversion folks.... <div><br clear="none"><div>Fiscally, it raises $930M next biennium and grows as more efficient vehicles hit the market. <a shape="rect" href="https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureAnalysisDocument/40077" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureAnalysisDocument/40077</a> It would be curious to learn how the gas tax revenue has decreased over the years.<div><br clear="none"><div>Voting recorded here... pretty much divided by the party lines <a shape="rect" href="https://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2017/HB2017/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2017/HB2017/</a> <div><ul><li>House: 39 Yea and 20 Nay</li><li>Senate: 22 Yea and 7 Nay </li></ul></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Overwhelming support....
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 8:16:28 PM PST, Craig Hudson <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:craighudson150@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">craighudson150@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="gmail-m_364950635777631077ydpb2a536d2yiv5108941882gmail-m_3410813788882007708ydp39a979cyiv6251088201"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">It was bound to happen.... Oregon legislature approved EVs paying a "gas tax" thru their registration fees starting Jan 2020. </span> Checkout top of page 15 in <a shape="rect" href="https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB2017/Enrolled" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">HB2017</a>. Electric vehicles pay an additional $220 on top of the new DMV rates for a 2 year registration.<div><br clear="none"><div><div><strong style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">High-mileage
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OReGO $172 $86</p><div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">If you drive less than 6100 mi/yr ($110/0.018) and </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">can install an OBD-II reader to let ODOT track your mileage, then </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">OReGO will save you money. Check more at </span><a shape="rect" href="https://www.myorego.org/calculator" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(5,99,193)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.MyOReGO.org/calculator</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Oregon is part of 19 other states trying to fund their road infrastructure.... </div><div><a shape="rect" href="http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/nhpr/files/electric_vehicle_fees_2017.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/nhpr/files/electric_vehicle_fees_2017.pdf</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Electric passenger vehicle registrations in Oregon broke 25K this past summer...Oregon has 3.2M registered passenger vehicles. So, electric remains less than 1 percent...</div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://www.oregon.gov/deq/FilterDocs/CFP-electicvehicles.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.oregon.gov/deq/FilterDocs/CFP-electicvehicles.pdf</a> </div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/docs/2018_Vehicle_County_Registration.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/docs/2018_Vehicle_County_Registration.pdf</a> </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">
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