[Caevlist] I just received an updated terms of service from EVGO....

[Paul Wallace]

Glenn,
I think, and this is just my take, if you are using something that at least follows ALL of the specifications for a charging protocol, then you probably have no issue.  You might need to get your setup tested at some facility, which would have a cost involved.
The Netherlands converters are up against a very aggressive EMC test certification which is making conversions very difficult.  Testing a vehicle for these standards in mutliple thousands of Euros.
It is more about how your vehicle responds to error conditions than to how it works if everything is working as designed.

Paul

> On Feb 21, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Glenn Burket <gburket at peak.org> wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> If this is a correct quote(please correct it if it is not), it reads pretty emphatically to me about "home-built electric vehicles"
> 
> "Thank you for being an EVgo customer. EVgo is always working to serve our community of EV drivers with safety and reliability as our first priorities. With that in mind and a goal of being as open and transparent with our users as possible, we are notifying our customers of a change to our Terms of Service related to charging services and adapters permitted at EVgo stations as well as other minor updates to the Terms of Service.
> 
> Our updated Terms of Service will go into effect on Monday, February 22, 2021.
> 
> In an effort to easily convey the changes from the former version of our Terms of Service here are the highlights:
> 
> Authorized Charging Adapters
> 
> For your safety, EVgo only permits the use of automaker-manufactured charging adapters on EVgo charging stations or with EVgo’s charging network (“Authorized Adapters”). EVgo prohibits the use of all other adapters (“Unauthorized Adapters”) on EVgo’s network and charging stations.
> 
> Prohibition of Home-Built Electric Vehicles, Modified Vehicles, and Modified Chargers
> 
> Similarly, EVgo prohibits the use of all home-built electric vehicles, home-built onboard chargers, and vehicles that contain personally-modified chargers (“Unauthorized Vehicles and Chargers”)."
> 
> This is from the DIY Electric Car forum.
> 
> One important application of "home-built electric vehicles" are the long range touring type cars, vans, motor homes, and motorcycles (like I'm working on). These just may not be practical without access to DCFCing. I know the OIF is all over the place with their efficacy and consistency on just about everything that's being worked on. Is there some kind of DCFC Black Box people could buy today, that could be incorporated in their builds, and satisfy EVgo's safety and reliability concerns?  Are there other potential options that would work? Let's hope we can find some kind of work around for this problem.
> 
> Glenn 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Wallace" <ianaudio at peak.org>
> To: "Glenn Burket" <gburket at peak.org>
> Cc: "Corvallis EV CLub" <caevlist at caevclub.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:31:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Caevlist] I just received an updated terms of service from EVGO....
> 
> Glenn,
> May not be a big issue for most home builders, unless they plan on using CCS combo or Chademo DCFC. There is quite a bit of activity on the Open Inverter Forum with designs for Chademo interfaces.  I think that these are what are being referred to here.  I’m upgrading my truck to an Orion BMS2, which supports Chademo DCFC and I’ll be adding the connector and other parts required by the spec to enable this feature.  As far as the adapters are concerned, that is probably the old style level 2 to dryer plug adapters they are targeting which enabled chargers like the Manaznita Micro PFCxx chargers to use the public level 2 charging stations.  The Orion BMS2 connected to a Eltek UHF charger or similar again should be completely compliant with the level 2 spec so shouldn’t be an issue either, but an interface which doesn’t monitor the duty cycle of the pilot signal and which can’t open the pilot when there is a charging fault I think is more what is prohibited.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Glenn Burket <gburket at peak.org> wrote:
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>> Did they go into detail about how they would go about enforcing such a prohibition? Big Brother cameras at charging stations? Registering our EVs?
>> 
>> First registering our EVs, then our guns? This is great fodder for a Q anon conspiracy.
>> 
>> Seriously Paul, we had to know problems like this, vehicle registration, and obtaining insurance had to eventually come up in the US with home built or modified EVs. In some countries or areas(parts of the EU come to mind)it is virtually impossible to register this type of vehicle for on road use. 
>> 
>> There must be some reasonable, commonsense approach to this problem. Something that continues to allow conscientious and innovative people to keep pushing out the boundaries of the technology for on road EVs. Any Ideas?   
>> 
>> Glenn    
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Wallace" <ianaudio at peak.org>
>> To: "Corvallis EV CLub" <caevlist at caevclub.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 7:59:50 AM
>> Subject: [Caevlist] I just received an updated terms of service from EVGO....
>> 
>> The updated terms of service now prohibits charging home built or modified EVs or the use of home built charging adapters or chargers on the EVGo network.
>> 
>> Do you suppose the other networks are going to move in this direction as well?
>> 
>> Paul
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